Cyknight

1 hour ago, chopedogg88 said:

I hear they are coming out with a new remote in a few years

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lol, which we hear every few years

In all honesty, I still don't truly see what we'd want from a new remote, at least on a grand scale. Voice control? Shouldn't be on a remote (or even a touchscreen) - develop small device that can be strategically placed to do voice control, if voice control is what you want.

Wait, haven't I heard that before? Something called Alexa, or Google Assistant?

Touchscreen remote, at what, $750? That is so 10 years ago.... if I want a small touchscreen I'll grab my phone.

But hey, maybe someone will bring out something (C4 or any of the others) that make me change my mind.

7 minutes ago, Gary Leeds UK said:

new Hardware ~ exciting 

LOL, it's only a piece of software for now.

To use the (older method) of going to the room, you need to favorite the channel - you can use the SiriusXM driver itself to select any channel number, and set it to start in any room(s).

So instead of going to the room, go to the actual SiriusXM driver.

As per above - if it's a store, it needs a business license. Music WILL cut out after a certain amount of time otherwise, as designed by SiriusXM.

On hikvisions, you can use the virtual host option, which allows you to reach each individual camera via {nvr ipp address}:650xx with xx being the port/camera (ie 65001 is port/camera 1).

Dont believe Luma has that option.

On 9/14/2019 at 1:35 PM, OceanDad said:

Will be used for the new remote when it finally surfaces.  Looks like it will be the first product to come out of the acquisition of NEEO some months ago.  The original NEEO remote was a Kickstarter project (I have one knocking around somewhere), and it used a wi-fi Hub with a sleek looking (but rather flawed) remote control handset.

C4's explanation so far is that it's there now, to allow adding new hardware drivers to be added later without requiring a full composer or system software update.

Remote may not stand for a 'remote control' at all - could be that remote hub is just that - a driver that connects to a remote (as in off-site) hub (as in deposit of drivers), though it is certainly easy to think 'remote control' taking everything into account.

As for the Neeo acquisition, I still suspect that was more for overall design (as in people that do the design) than for the remote or any remote specifically planned. I certainly don't know any details on who worked on the new OS3 navigator layout and control, but it wouldn't surprise me to hear that THAT was the first thing to 'come out' of that.

16 minutes ago, pinkoos said:

Yes it’s buggy for sure, but many apps have already been updated to be compatible with it

.... there's something wrong with that sentence ...

51 minutes ago, SMHarman said:

Add a CPU and wouldn't you have an EA5

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No you'd have an EA5 plus 2 audio outputs

But what I mean is truly a dumb audio streamer. With the cA-10 and the CA-1's there's a lot more need for a device that 'just' adds audio outputs. No IR, no serial - jsut audio

Sometimes an EA-5 alone isn't enough streams, and with a CA-10 overtop of it, there's zero reason to add an EA5 and an EA3 may not make sense either.

I'd prefer something like a 4 stereo, 2 digital audio only device myself at this point. a 'dumb' audio streamer if you will

59 minutes ago, msgreenf said:

Ok. I know it's not the case. They have parts

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Oh they have parts, I was saying they might have limited parts and therefore put up a term. Again I can't speak for C4, as I don't work for them.

56 minutes ago, EverAction said:

A WattBox that's gone flaky? That NEVER happens! 

lol

44 minutes ago, SMHarman said:

 

My entire problem last week a disaster of funny colored dmx lights and no control of panel lights. But it was the switch that was with no power causing the problem, not an out of commission controller.

 

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An issue that the CA-10 could have reported the moment the switch lost power if it had it's first first netwrok port connected to the switch and it's  second network connected direct tot the router

2 hours ago, msgreenf said:

don't believe that is the case.

Belief is a personal choice

Just now, drmark12pa said:

What inputs/outputs does the CA10 have?  I can't find a picture yet of the back as I'm considering replacing my oldest controller (HC800) with this.  I'm currently using an EA5 as main and 2 EA3s also in system.  My security system and at least 1 relay are connected to the 800 as of now.

There are NO i/o connections on the CA-10 - think HC1000.

It's 'just' a brain.

35 minutes ago, SMHarman said:

On 9/12/2019 at 10:39 AM, eggzlot said:

Here is what baffles me - you probably still need an EA3 or 5 for the I/O's, streaming audio, etc.  I know you can get the I/O's elsewhere but not the audio.  So isnt that your redundancy?  Couldn't they have made an CA-10 or whatever just faster/snappier without the redundnacy and oh if it fails you roll the project over to the EA5 temporarily?  I guess with the CA-10 it rolls over so nothing a dealer needs to do if something goes out so its better for up time, but it really comes at a major price that I cannot see except for a very few small situations.

On 9/12/2019 at 12:03 PM, msgreenf said:

i agree. I actually called the CA10 a science project - that is how I view it....Engineering for engineers

Indeed. You also need redundant network switching at that point. My switch lost power with a flakey WB700 and that took out everything, lighting, blinds, everything on IP.

It's a limited scope by default:

1) Either a huge system that requires the power (think MDU as well)

2) Something heavily reliant on IP controller gear for major functions (lighting for example) that you don't want to take down. System down and no TV is one thing. System down and no lighting is a whole different ball game.

3) Systems that are actually low-fequency use that can use added 'monitotring' - say a vacation home that you want to get an alert from BEFORE you head out there for a week's vacation.

Now, the reality is that the chances of your system just dying are minimal to begin with, so it's debatable how much sense redundancy makes to begin with, in any form.

As for redundant networking, the idea would of course be that you're connecting the CA10 to your main network, with a second line direct to the router (indicating that the main network is down)

OR one line goes to an EA5 or EA3 built in switch (and if it's down it's an indicator that is down)

OR (and I'd have to test this to be sure that would work) you have the second network (ie ISP combo modem/router) that would allow you to easily setup a direct warning that things are wrong because there's still an internet connection to email out from.

When it comes to power, you would for sure put an CA-10 on a dedicated smaller UPS for sure, maybe combine it with jsut the main router and modem so that you can use the setup as a warning for power down situations as well.

Engineering for engineers is too much said however.

There has been a LOT of requests for redundancy options among dealers, and keep in mind that while residential is probably the biggest sector C4 is used in in number of systems, commercial and MDU setups are still an at least considerable part of the 'C4 world' (and perhaps bigger than most of us here realize (myself included) - i certainly don't KNOW the overall relative dollar % between residential and everything else just based on our own clientele)  - and you're not going to 'meet' those 'people' on these forums as there just isn't much to learn here for that sector.

I suspect it's due to limited number of remaining parts not being manufactured anymore, though I can't speak for Control4 - but I agree it seems short.

5+ years means C4 won't do a repair usually, though I would have called it in to check myself.

As for the assessment it needs replacing (or fixing if within 5 years) I would say he/she is right, all red zones is a typical indicator. Assuming you or the dealer at least tried to power cycle it once to eliminate protection mode, it means a full failure.

48 minutes ago, THawes said:

Sure, what do I have to gain by going to a distributor and buying it versus going to Costco, Best Buy, Amazon and buying it? Especially if it's a better price than whatever the local AV distributor is?

Arguably nothing, though you may need some better distributors.

Client wants the Costco TV, go get a Costco TV. But that doesn't mean I'm going to pick it up Well unless you all would like to pay me the hourly rate to go do it for you...

So a dealer should go get a TV at Costco and sell it for more?

1 minute ago, Dunamivora said:

Cyknight, you should talk to your TFM and ask what they put in on escalations. HC800 kicks the EA5's ass in large projects. I know first hand.

Nah I'm good actually. Of course, as you're the one that started throwing out specs and stating you 'know' these things, you may want to consider following your own advise on that one.

You 'know' first hand something that I 'know' first hand is incorrect. Everyone can make of that what they will.

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I would agree - the CA-10 may well help, but it takes a LOT to throw an EA-5 off, it sounds more likely to me that there's a driver (or several) that are causing high memory usage.

My own system is quite a bit more involved than our beloved Village Idiot's is in some ways at least, and I'm still not pushing the EA-5

3 hours ago, CTO said:

Costco

I hope not

7 hours ago, Dunamivora said:

HC800: Intel Atom D525 1.8Ghz dual core, 1GB or 2GB of RAM depending on model, All RAm usable.

EA5: Intel Atom CE5335 1.6Ghz dual core, 2GB of RAM, 1.6GB usable

Easy info to find using cpuinfo and top after logging in.

So what? CPU frequency and RAM amount are in no way all telling.

RAM clock speed alone on the CE5335 is double that of the D525, unfortunately there are limited spec available on the CE5335 so a full comparison is not truly possible.

7 hours ago, Dunamivora said:

The Audio CPUs are likely used to get the sample rate that's 4 times higher. Audio is definitely better on the EAs, same with the On-Screen nav.

Sure, and to offload the process from the CPU.

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The HC800, however, is better at running projects (director process seems and acts like it needs a single core

Based on what? Certainly not my experience. Quite the opposite in fact.

29 minutes ago, Dunamivora said:

but my initial thought is it doesn't have redundant firmware/backup OS in case the primary OS fails to boot.

It has dual storage in redundant/mirror raid with no mention of an additional (hardware) storage for the OS, so I would assume it does (partitioned seperately ont he SSDs). The only thing as far as I can tell is failure of CPU that it wouldn't at least alert you of, and some form of project corruption that takes it down (as a mirrored drive would simply copy the corruption.

9 minutes ago, Dunamivora said:

 

Many large projects needed an HC800 to run better.

Uh.

20 minutes ago, Dunamivora said:

I assume the question mark is for why I said the HC800 is better?

It has a faster CPU than the EA5.

 

No it doesn't.

Just because a processor has a higher clockspeed, doesn't mean it's faster.

Add to that the fact that the EA5 has dedicated processors to offload some items (Audio in particular) vs doing it all on the main CPU.

EA5 is roughly 2x faster than the HC-800 as per Control4.